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===.po files===
 
===.po files===
*gettext strings are in various files in cvs, currently we think we have them all in pootle as .pot template files
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*gettext strings are in various files in cvs  
: we need to use xgettext to search a maintained list of files to extract current gettext strings
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: we use xgettext to creates .po files from the original files to by extracting gettext strings [1]
: this may find missing, or modified strings or remove old strings saving on pointless translations
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: we load these into pootle as .pot template files and update other languages from these
  
*existing translations have been placed in pootle and merged with the templates
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* .po files have been converted to UTF-8, they will be converted back to ISO-8859-1 when patching SME
:this shows missing translations very nicely and is ready for user testing
 
 
 
*all .po files have been converted to UTF-8, they will be converted back to ISO-8859-1 when patching SME
 
  
 
*changes to original files, ie changed gettext strings, have to be tracked as usual in the bug tracker
 
*changes to original files, ie changed gettext strings, have to be tracked as usual in the bug tracker
:these are imported into the templates, other languages are updated from templates
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: these are imported into the templates and other languages by above method
  
*at some point we diff against cvs po files, the patch is checked and applied.
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*at some point we diff updated po files against cvs po files, the patch is checked and applied.
  
 
===FormMagick files===
 
===FormMagick files===
*these are XML files with a <base> and <trans> pair of strings, these can be converted to .po files with some work
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*these are XML files with a <base> and <trans> pair of strings
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: we create .po files from the english versions [2]
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: we load these into pootle as .pot template files and update other languages from these
  
*some rough scripts are being worked on above, there may be others on the net waiting to be found...
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* changes to original files, have to be tracked as usual in the bug tracker
: we need to clean up some inconsistencies in the english lexicons and they will be our .pot templates
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: new <base> strings only have to be added (or removed) to the cvs xml file for english
: we need to script the conversion of existing translations into .po files
 
  
*changes to original files, have to be tracked as usual in the bug tracker
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*at some point we apply the new translation back to the xml file [2] 
: the following is speculative ...
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then diff against cvs, make patch, check and apply
: these are imported into the .pot templates, other languages are updated from templates
 
: new <base> strings only have to be added to the cvs xml file for english
 
  
*at some point we script xml2po to apply the new translation back to the xml file,
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[1] smeserver-locale smefetchpo (added)
then diff against cvs, make patch, check and apply
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[2] smeserver-locale smefetchxml, smexml* smereload (to be added)
  
 
== Pootle Usage ==
 
== Pootle Usage ==

Revision as of 02:14, 17 February 2008

Preliminary

The Goal is to manage SME translations with Pootle hosted on contribs.org. The current method excellent as it is makes it hard to find missing strings and to easily replace them.

Test pootle site: http://www.unixlan.com.ar:8888

Once we have everything worked out how to interact with pootle and the formmagick stuff then I'll get something up on contribs.org that everyone can use. It would be really nice if we could automate the extraction/import of files that need to be translated into pootle but first things first.

Slords 18:23, 24 January 2008 (MST)

xml2po

we are using http://linux.die.net/man/1/xml2po to convert the xml lexicons to .po files and back

You can download from http://mirror.contribs.org/smeserver/contribs/nhall/sme7/contribs/pootle/rpm/gnome-doc-utils-0.12.0-1.noarch.rpm

To create .po and export xml files, we have written a few shell scripts and added a translation file smetrans.py

we'll release these later for contribs authors


bugs

Bugs related to Pootle based translations are linked here

revision control using CVS/SVN

Today I had a quick look at the pootle pages and found a wiki as well, which has some valuable information like for instance revision control using CVS/SVN: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/version_control - Cactus 03:26, 25 January 2008 (MST)

A few links for future implementation:

http://subversion.tigris.org/tools_contrib.html#po_update_sh
http://subversion.tigris.org/tools_contrib.html#verify_po_py
http://subversion.tigris.org/tools_contrib.html#svnmerge_py
http://subversion.tigris.org/tools_contrib.html#svnmerge_sh

Translation Workflow

Draft suggestions ...

.po files

  • gettext strings are in various files in cvs
we use xgettext to creates .po files from the original files to by extracting gettext strings [1]
we load these into pootle as .pot template files and update other languages from these
  • .po files have been converted to UTF-8, they will be converted back to ISO-8859-1 when patching SME
  • changes to original files, ie changed gettext strings, have to be tracked as usual in the bug tracker
these are imported into the templates and other languages by above method
  • at some point we diff updated po files against cvs po files, the patch is checked and applied.

FormMagick files

  • these are XML files with a <base> and <trans> pair of strings
we create .po files from the english versions [2]
we load these into pootle as .pot template files and update other languages from these
  • changes to original files, have to be tracked as usual in the bug tracker
new <base> strings only have to be added (or removed) to the cvs xml file for english
  • at some point we apply the new translation back to the xml file [2]

then diff against cvs, make patch, check and apply

[1] smeserver-locale smefetchpo (added)
[2] smeserver-locale smefetchxml, smexml* smereload (to be added)

Pootle Usage

Test pootle site: http://www.unixlan.com.ar:8888

Future wiki howto at Translations

move the pootle usage section there, and revise the whole page

untranslated words

click "Show Editing Functions" and finally at "Quick Translate" for each file or whole language.

Also you can see the suggestions clicking at "Review Suggestions".

checks

click "show checks" to see a list of syntax errors

acronyms  6 strings (2%) failed
brackets 17 strings (6%) failed
doublequoting 4 strings (1%) failed
doublespacing 1 string (0%) failed
endpunc 11 strings (3%) failed
endwhitespace 4 strings (1%) failed
numbers 2 strings (0%) failed
puncspacing 2 strings (0%) failed
sentencecount 2 strings (0%) failed
simplecaps 16 strings (5%) failed
startcaps 6 strings (2%) failed
unchanged 7 strings (2%) failed
untranslated 53 strings (19%) failed

click on one of the links offered and fix them

See http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/guide/pofilter_examples and http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/guide/translation/commonerrors

Merging new strings

Add, remove or modify strings in the template/*.pot file then click 'update from template'.

New strings are added
modified strings use existing data and made fuzzy (i think)
deleted strings are moved to the bottom of the file and commented out with #~